We’re Number One!
By: Ryan Wiggins -

The next time somebody tries to tell you that Baltimore doesn’t do anything well, you just sit them down, grab a computer, and refer them to this article in the Baltimore Sun. According to FBI data collected last year, Charm City is first in the nation among 500,000 plus cities at producing dead people. 

Baltimore’s homicide rate stands at 37 per 100,000 inhabitants, higher than Detroit’s 34 per 100,000 or D.C.’s 31. Among cities with over 100,000 inhabitants, the Old Line State’s largest port ranked third behind what’s left of New Orleans and St. Louis, a city that has been unable to offer proof of its own existence outside of the FBI’s annual homicide study since the nineteenth century. 

Still, the city’s 234 murders is actually a twenty-year low. Of course, there were also more people in Baltimore twenty years ago, and anyone who’s ever watched a couple of episodes of The Wire can tell you how easy it is to creatively classify crime in this city. And given Mayor Sheila Dixon’s dubious moral qualities…well, I’m just sayin’. Seriously though, I’m sure the city is much safer than it used to be. 

While homicides might not be a marketable export, they certainly help with population control. According to another Sun article, the city’s population has remained relatively stable for the last six years.

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haha. I like this Ryan!

A - June 2, 2009, 9:07 pm

YAY!!!
wait…
WHAT?!!!!!!!!!

Jessica - June 3, 2009, 8:29 am

I don’t remember the statistic off hand, so I won’t just make it up, but an extremely high percentage of those murders are products of the drug trade.

If drugs could be bought and sold in a legal fashion, or if the police force didn’t have such a militarized approach to the drug trade and drug use, these interactions would be less tense and have a lower degree of secrecy/seriousness. Debts could be settled in public courts by suit, and not with a bullet.

Baltimore’s “War on Drugs” is the number 1 reason why our murder rate is so high.

Paula - June 3, 2009, 11:08 am

Paula, u’re full of it!
Without this as you call it “war on drugs”, B-more’s population would actually be EXTINCT by now!

Tyron - June 3, 2009, 2:58 pm

The percentage, as of April or May of 2008, was stated as approx. 68% by the BPD, which they defend as a fairly reliable historical value. A look at crime statistics reveals that even a larger proportion are direct results of gang issues. A year ago, around June, the murder rate in the city spiked as a gang war erupted between two of the city’s largest gangs.

However, Paula it is very ignorant to think that fighting drugs is exacerbating the issue. The truth of the matter is that drugs are illegal and destructive, and in a city where one in eight persons is an addict, fighting illegal substance use and distribution needs to be a priority. While legalization may legitimize the transactions, it is not a step the city of Baltimore or the state of Maryland can take. Until that time, it is imperative that the city combats this erosion of civil society and stability.

It is not the “War on Drugs” that is the issue, but the drugs themselves. The violence is the community’s problem; a culture accepting of violence and condemning of ‘snitchin’ will reap what it sows: low conviction rates from sympathetic juries and low clearance rates on cases as no witnesses will come forward.

Don’t think the city isn’t doing anything to solve the problem. With innovative programs like Gunstat, EXILE, and Comstat, the city has dedicated itself to peace and rule of law.

Gavin Way - June 3, 2009, 3:15 pm

Ok, Everyone has good points, and i think there is truth in what everyone is saying, but no one is being realistic. Violence IS human nature. And when violence can be used to get things that you need and otherwise do not have the resources to obtain, many people will turn to violence to obtain it. When family members or friends are threatened, people will turn to violence in order to defend them. Its just like the war between us and iraq right now. we were attacked, and we retailliated. why? to “protect the people of this country”. I know someone is going to get on here and tell me what i am saying is wrong, but they wont have a reason. Anyone who has resources will always say violence is never the answer, and these people are are uncivilized and talk about how rediculous it is, but thats because these people are living and mostly thinking in utopianistic way. STOP. This is the real world. History has always shown, when peoples backs have been against the wall, it usually ends in violence. In baltimore were talkin about people who dont have much, and dont have the means to get much, so people turn to lifestyles that can get them the things they need and want, no matter what the means of aquireing them require. Im not supporting whats going on in Baltimore, im just saying i understand, and frankly, police are never going to be the answer. They are never going to be the resource to solve the problem, because all they do is make people feel locked down, and when people feel locked down, what occurs…revolution. People combat authority, and thats why the city needs to look to a new solution.

Aaron - June 4, 2009, 10:33 am

I agree with you Aaron.

If we put half the money we currently spend on marijuana arrests into the Baltimore City school system it’d probably reduce overall drug use far more effectively than the militarized approach the police force currently employs.

Even though I’m all for legalization, I think even without legalization a more sensible approach could be taken to reduce drug use.

Everyone who lives in the city, especially those who are poor, knows that the police are not your friends. They do not exist to help you, and they will not keep you safe. They exist to keep you in line, to enforce the state’s will, and to suppress public disorder.

Paula - June 4, 2009, 11:31 am

Paula,

You’re the same exact kind of jackass that blames a soldier for war. Police enforce the law, they do not create it.

Baltimore City did not start a “war on drugs.” The federal government did. As a matter of fact, the weak enforcement of the law in Baltimore City is what I would put as the number one reason why gun violence, drug activity, and gangs thrive in this city. The court system fails every citizen of Baltimore City. Criminals are arrested multiple times for carrying handguns, selling drugs, etc before they eventually commit “more serious” crimes and end up in prison. Just a simple google search can find you a ton of articles about murderers in Baltimore City who had a grocery list of prior offenses leading up to a murder. If you arrest a guy for carrying a handgun multiple times only to let him back out on the street…what do you really expect to happen?

Please spare me the “every poor person in the city isn’t friends with the police” bullshit. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. I have lived in Baltimore City my whole life. What about you?

Tim - June 4, 2009, 12:12 pm

Wow, violence has human nature? Because they don’t have resources? Why do we not then see the homeless breaking into stores to feed themselves instead of starving to death? You may have identified a correlate to violence, but there is no evidence to identify it as causing violence.

And Aaron, get your facts straight: Iraq has nothing to do with us retaliating. Even the Bush administration called it a pre-emptive effort.

Mankind is greater then you seem to think. What makes us remarkable is our ability to take what little we have and make something wonderful out of it.

And Paula, do you have any idea how much money is spent on ‘marijuana arrests’ in the city? The entire Department of Justice budget is $23 billion, the Department of Education budget is $64 billion. Throwing money at schools will not solve this problem, though I can tell you don’t care what will, you rather cite your own radical points instead of arguing the facts.

Gavin Way - June 4, 2009, 1:07 pm

Ok Gavin, whatever you wanna call the war, its the EXACT same concept of a gang fight. And im not taking sides on the war. i support our troops and everything(and BTW, the fact that u just said it was a fact because the bush administration said it shows me u only take in what u hear on the news) . im just saying, theres no difference from what were doin than a blood killing a cripp because he came to their turf and killed one of their brothers. and ur right that is what makes mankind special, but thats not so easy for everyone. There are plenty of homeless people who have resorted to breaking into stores to feed themselves. You dont see it because the ones who do decide this get put in jail, So now there not homeless anymore because there in jail .i can already tell uve never had to deal with anything like this. your someone speaking from the outside, and ur speaking as someone who already has resources.And Money in the education system would help. How many baltimore city schools have you been into. Im pretty sure its less than 1. Lack of supplies, poor classroom enviornments, lack of staff. All of these factors impact education. Not only the quality of it, but it affects student morale and desire also.

Aaron - June 4, 2009, 1:38 pm

Yeah you’re right. $10,000 per marijuana arrest is probably money well-spent.

Also, @ “Why do we not then see the homeless breaking into stores to feed themselves instead of starving to death?”

I don’t know if I’m misunderstanding your point here or if you’re an idiot, but homeless people steal food all the time. That’s how you get by. Do you really think that most homeless people in Baltimore would rather die than steal? That’s a joke.

Paula - June 4, 2009, 3:02 pm

Provide one piece of evidence to back any of your claims.

Gavin Way - June 4, 2009, 4:25 pm

Why is my comment from 7 hours ago still “awaiting moderation”?

Tim - June 4, 2009, 5:32 pm

Facts about Marijuana Policing Costs:
http://www.doctordeluca.com/Library/WOD/CrimesOfIndiscretion-NORML05.htm

I’m not sure how exactly you want me to PROVE that many homeless people steal food on a regular basis. I know many who do, but “Homeless Man Steals Loaf of Bread from Safeway” is not exactly headline news. Maybe you should go hang out on the streets of Baltimore for a week and see if you can interview some people about it.

If someone was pointing a gun at you, would you shoot them in self-defense to survive? If people are willing to kill to keep themselves alive, it’s ludicrous to think that they won’t steal to keep themselves alive. I don’t need to provide evidence for that. That’s common sense.

Paula - June 4, 2009, 6:06 pm

Aaron and Paula,
You say I’ve never had to deal with this? For over a year I have served as an analyst for the Baltimore Police Department’s Criminal Intelligence Unit on behalf of the Mayor’s Office of Criminal Justice. You can talk to any officer and even the most hardened officers will tell you the same thing: its a damn shame the homeless aren’t in jail, because they could at least get the humane treatment they deserve. Cops in Baltimore hate how some of the citizenry is treated and the people responsible for the policies they put them there.

Get out and walk the streets yourselves. You’ll find the gangsters with the money, drugs, and guns are the ones you have to fear, not the homeless.

BTW this is funny, but Baltimore is actually not the number one city anymore. A mistake by the FBI resulted in Detroit being credited with 11% less murders then actually reported. See corrected article below:
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/local/baltimore_city/bal-murder-rate0604,0,2515982.story

*All information I provide is public material and in no way should be accredited to the City of Baltimore, Mayor’s Office, BPD, or any other body.*

Gavin Way - June 4, 2009, 10:00 pm

oh ya Paula, that site you forwarded:

I’ve seen a lot of hack jobs, but that site was impressive. Can you give something from a peer-reviewed body, anything that could pass the muster of ‘scholarly?’

And what you say you don’t know how exactly to prove the link between crime and homelessness? That’s because it doesn’t exist. The city execute a major study last year looking at long term installation of homeless shelters and crime in the communities, and in not one instance was there a statistically significant variation in crime in the community. Even the Bmoresun, which loves to bash Bmore as much as the Retriever could never jack the numbers to twist it their way.

Gavin Way - June 4, 2009, 10:06 pm

Gavin and Tim, No disrespect but i think u are both speaking on a topic that you have not had the experiences to understand. Tim, you may live in the city, but there a very nice parts of Baltimore city, and i am guessing you are from one of those parts. Im not saying police create the problem, but they do help fuel its continuation. And I know you dont live in one of the poorer areas because a lot of people arent friends with the police, because instead of protecting, They harass and create hostility. Its just like how kids act out and disrespect and disobey their parents in their teens years. Im betting none of you get pulled over, have your car searched and get let go without reason on regular basis. I bet none of you have ever been standing talking and laghing with group of your friends and been asked to diperse by the police when you were doing nothing wrong. Things like this makes people want to disobey the police, simply because rsther than protecting, they control.

And to help you understand the mentality of these people, let me put it like this. If youve got 5 sharks in an aquarium tank, and they arent provided with food for an extended period of time, and someone throes a big piece of meat in there. There going to fight most likely to the death over it. Im not comparing people to animals, im simply saying when resources are scarce, drastic measures will be taken to aquire them, And until you have nothing, and are placed with other people who have nothing, you will never understand.

And once again, Im not rationalizing murder, or committing crimes, i am simply trying to help you understand that many of the crimes that you would call “senseless” often are out of necessity, and the only way to change things, is to provide everyone with sufficient resources, and that just isnt possible.

Aaron - June 5, 2009, 7:35 am

I love this short little article because it has caused so much debate. You guys really are passionate about how you feel but I wonder how many are you are just talking and not doing anything.

The question is…are you going to, after school go on to worrying about making money or making a difference? Now by no means am I saying, don’t work hard to make money, but the capitalistic way of getting money to buy more and more stuff you really don’t need, not caring about anyone else, working yourself to the bone even if it means losing everything (ex. wife, friends, etc.) to get it. This is what many people do. Complain about the issue instead of like Ghandi said, “Be the change you want to see”.

The fact is that in Baltimore City there are many people who are products of their upbringing. If you have a poor home (emotionally, spiritually, financially, mentally, physically) coupled with poor resources via, healthcare, education, legal resources, etc. You do not think or react properly. Then add to the fact that all of the other people around you are going through the same things and are thinking and acting poorly.

Many of us do not remember how much our childhoods shaped us; this includes proper education and all of the things that come along with it. Having a proper diet, proper stimulation, mentally and physically all play a big part in growing into a productive person. Many of these children don’t get to see large areas of grass to run, play, roll around and explore. They explore abandoned buildings and closets with guns, drugs etc. The corner stores are gun shops, liquor stores, and convenient stores with candy, cigarettes and processed foods.

Because of the legacy of slavery, drug and alcohol addiction, mental and health issues, etc. many parents are absent in body and if they are present in body, not all are present in the mind. Then you have the media and Hollywood, glorifying violence on television, never really seeing positive representatives of who you are…..etc., etc. I could go on with all the woes.

But fact is this is everybody’s problem, whether you want to take responsibility or not. Golden rule “Treat others as you would like to be treated”. If you lived in those conditions an there are people who can make a difference wouldn’t you want them to help you. Some call it socialism, but instead of calling violence, lawlessness and recklessness human nature, how about love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control?

You sometimes can produce what you expect. If you expect and hold people to a standard they will work towards that, but if you, someone or someone around them does something negative and all they hear is,” oh, that’s human nature “ it becomes accepted and what’s expected.
I’m not saying be like Mother Theresa, but I am saying while working on yourself, strive to be a better person.

Expect more of yourself, don’t give yourself excuses and help others along the way. This first begins with the children!

http://www.unhchr.ch/html/menu3/b/k2crc.htm

Access to good Education, Health Care, Civil/Equal Rights, Religious Freedom, Access to adequate nutrition, Protection from lawlessness, Freedom of thought, conscience and speech, Freedom of thought, conscience…..

Tae - June 5, 2009, 9:29 am

how about all you sheltered umbc folks try living outside the lame comfortable circle of umbc and then try to cast humor on baltimore citys homicide rate. most of you all have no worries so its easy to laugh about being “no 1″. umbc isnt even in baltimore city. dont try to think that umbc is cool for being close to the baltimore….. this is shameful posting by a sheltered umbc student. try living here where people can get gunned down a block away from where you live. try bragging about baltimore homicide rate after that.

hah - June 5, 2009, 11:26 am

^^^ Quote by ‘hah’: “dont try to think that umbc is cool for being close to the baltimore…”

Dude… Nobody considers Baltimore ‘cool’ around here…
If anything, we at UMBC take more pride in the fact that our school is only 30 minutes away from Washington, D.C.
So we simply prefer not to mention Baltimore. Period!

Tyron_B. - June 5, 2009, 11:38 am

ha, thank u. That was the word i was looking for. Sheltered. u guys are sheltered and speaking of something u kno nothing about. That was my whole point, but yea no 1 is bragging tho.

Aaron - June 5, 2009, 12:15 pm

why weren’t my comments posted in reply last night?

Aaron and Pauala,
Sheltered? Of course we are, we’re college students in an affluent state. Almost none of us have any experience with this stuff on a personal level.

I consult as an analyst to the Baltimore City Police Department. I do statistical and geospatial analysis of crime in the city. The city last year undertook a study of crime and homelessness in response to community fears about relocating homeless shelters. There was no statistical justification for those fears: the data historically shows that areas where homeless shelters are put in have no statistically significant change to their crime rates.

btw Paula, if you ever are going to cite evidence, take the time to find something that may pass as scholarly.

And Tyron, I love Baltimore, it is an awesome city! So many students here at UMBC, just like the Retriever, never do anything but bash the city and have no idea about the many great things available.

BESIDES, as the Retriever doesn’t want to stop bashing Bmore they have yet to post this, but the city of Bmore is number TWO on the list of cities. There was a reporting error by the FBI; Detroit is the number one city with a population over 500,000.

Gavin Way - June 5, 2009, 2:03 pm

hah,

I do not usually respond to challenges on my posts, but I want to make it clear that I am not trying to make light of or boast about Baltimore’s issues with violent crime. I love the city of Baltimore and the homicide rate is to me a tragedy. I don’t know if the sarcasm in my delivery was lost on you, but I chose to present the information in this way to highlight the fact that the institutions that should be solving these problems amount to little more than one big joke. College students are as a whole certainly are sheltered, but that does not mean that we cannot recognize the seriousness of our society’s problems (and I would argue that many UMBC students take our relationship with Baltimore, Catonsville, and Arbutus seriously) or that we don’t have the right to discuss and debate them.

Ryan Wiggins - June 5, 2009, 3:37 pm

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lol noobs - June 5, 2009, 3:57 pm

Tech note: Unusually long comments are flagged for spam by default and must be manually approved, which is a slower process during the summer. Sorry for any delays.

Greg Fiumara - June 5, 2009, 4:28 pm

The author of this entry posted another story Thursday, June 4 at 6:32 p.m., writing that Baltimore was actually No. 2 in big city homicides. This was shortly after The Baltimore Sun posted the same story on their website at 4:04 p.m.

Baltimore’s homicide rate is factual, and those facts have been presented accurately by the author in both instances. It is a true story that Baltimore’s homicide rate is 36.9 per 100,000 residents. Being second to Detroit’s 37.4/100,000 doesn’t suddenly make that depressing number any smaller. The job of the journalist is never to seek out the positive stories above all else.

Presenting facts, simply put, is the job of the journalist.

Alexander Pyles - June 5, 2009, 4:51 pm

It is possible to use drugs responsibly. Your a fucking idiot. making drugs illegal is only forcing it underground where it cannot be regulated and made safe for the population.

Non-scholarly hack jobs:
Harvard Professor http://www.ivygateblog.com/2009/03/harvard-economist-says-legalize-students-listen-attentively/
the Economist (1989) http://www.economist.com/printedition/displaystory.cfm?story_id=13251312
the Economist (2009) great article: http://www.economist.com/printedition/displayStory.cfm?Story_ID=13237193
Penn & Teller Bullshit: amazing episode http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3025396475247394113

I’m surrounded by idiots - June 5, 2009, 5:15 pm

Actually, I also prefer to think of UMBC as a ‘DC area school’ rather than ‘Baltimore school’. That’s why they call it University of Maryland – Baltimore COUNTY, not University of Maryland – Baltmore City. It’s located in Catonsville, MD, which is not in Baltimore! HELLO!!!

I personally mostly go party in DC, College Park, and Montgomery County, because I like people there A LOT better than in Baltimore! They are a lot more open, friendly, and more international and diverse than in Baltimore. In Baltimore, in many neighbourhoods you can actually get confronted for being non-black. I was quite shocked at first!

Jose_Ramos - June 5, 2009, 8:49 pm

@ Gavin:

I digress a bit, but I must say that to assume someone hails from the affluent sector of society simply because he or she is pursuing a higher degree of education than the state mandates is an awfully arrogant thing to do. You bring up good points, but nullify them with generalizations about socio-economic status.

It doesn’t require facts and figures to see that one of the largest contributors to the problems facing our current order is the disconnect between those the problems affect and those who make the decisions regarding what to do about them. You attempt to argue your points in a clear, concise, articulate fashion and further ADMIT that you believe those you are arguing them with to be of a similar class, but until you or any of your peers/constituents have actually experienced a drug raid, a violent crime, or any other such injustice you speak so haughtily about, you’ll never really know what your so-called “system” looks like from the outside.

Imagine the shock of being jumped, mugged, beaten and robbed in the dead of night only to later hear from police that the perpetrators will probably never be brought to justice. “There’s really nothing we can do…. speak with your insurance agency about replacing stolen property.” Now further imagine that officers of that same precinct a few months down the line invade your home in the wee hours of the morning, with a warrant for search and seizure obtained through due process over the course of months in an ongoing investigation relating to nothing more than the possession of marijuana; while this may sound like fiction to you, it’s reality for many of us living below the poverty line. Time, energy, resources, and funds all spent investigating persons normally convicted of petty misdemeanors.

To many, the war on drugs and the war on marijuana are separate, but unfortunately to the police force they are one and the same. Most offenders are simply fined and let go, and so in the short-term the state sees these “busts” as profit-generating, but in the long term the cost of launching such investigations far outweighs the revenue created by the fines and while it may be difficult for you to understand them, many are all too familiar with the extra-monetary costs I’m talking about.

A good portion of the people feel police officers are good for nothing more than handing out parking tickets and turning a blind eye to narcotics dealers and violent criminals so that they might more efficiently and safely harass small time offenders. Maybe it’s time the police force sat down and asked itself why they feel this way?

As a side note, you might want to check out Paula’s blog before throwing around titles like “affluent”. I think you’ll find she’s a bit closer to all this than you may have given her credit for. We all get a bit heated in the midst of a debate, but that’s no reason to go around assuming we’re all happy little members of the bourgeoisie.

John - June 5, 2009, 9:58 pm

jose are you retarded? you can see baltimore city from campus. lol you dumb f***

lol noobs - June 6, 2009, 2:16 am

‘lol noobs’,

shut the f*ck up! Jose’s gotta point! U can only see B-more city from the 7th floor of the library, and it’s still so unnoticeable that you have to look really hard to find it, cuz it’s like miles and miles away…

Just look up Catonsville: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catonsville
It’s not part of Baltimore!

P.S.: And yeah, I grew up in north-east D.C. & like it much better than Baltimore slums…

Tyron_B. - June 6, 2009, 8:36 am

Aaron,

I am offended by your assumption that I live in an affluent area and don’t know what I am talking about. However, I will play your game and assume that YOU don’t live in the city and that YOU have no experience with the subject. Please, do us (the residents of Baltimore City) a favor and stop trying to rationalize crime by claiming that police officers are some how at fault for how criminals act.

Tae,

You’re very gifted at making up excuses for people. Unfortunately, the truth is that a lot of people make the decision to do the wrong thing and commit crimes. Despite guidance from teachers, parents and other positive role models, some children/students/people choose to run the streets with gangs and get involved with drugs and other criminal activities. Not only does out society glorify that behavior to a disgusting extent, but people line up to make excuses for those who choose that life style. It’s not surprising that under those circumstances people fall for these types of lifestyles and ultimately end up in prison.

Gavin,

I think it’s a bit ignorant to say that all students at UMBC are sheltered. I have met lots of students here who have overcome less than ideal upbringings to eventually succeed in college. Just because you and your circle of friends might be at college on mommy and daddy’s dime doesn’t mean that holds true for the rest of us.

Tim - June 7, 2009, 12:41 am

…wow…such haters. bmore is amazing and I find it kind of sad that you guys are dissing it.

and tyron_b wherever you go there are going to be “slums” so I dont understand what you’re getting at.

Baltimore is a mere 10 mins away and has so much to offer i.e music,art, great schools( us included), and an overall uniquely vibrant culture it can call its own. If you hate it so much then GTFO honestly.. its UM*B*C. The word *BALTIMORE* is part of the name.

I - June 7, 2009, 3:43 pm

to Tim, I think you need to reread my comments. It was Aaron that accused UMBC students of being sheltered. I agree that a majority don’t understand life and especially crime in the city, but I never called them sheltered.

Gavin Way - June 7, 2009, 7:41 pm

to John, you say I call Paula ‘affluent.’ Can’t see where in any of my comments I even used that word, none the less directed it at her. You bring up good points about the horrific impacts a crime can have on individuals, but your generalizations of the police and their actions can’t stand up to scrutiny. It is EXTREMELY rare for an innocent citizen to be targeted by a raid and in almost every case it is the result of the citizen and intended target having a similar if not the same name.

All members of the bourgeois? I don’t know that I’ve made that generalization, but regardless I don’t believe any of the students involved in this discussion have first hand experience in the issues covered by this article. Regardless, you are absolutely right in that personal accusations of character are not the point of this blog. It just seems that my continued arguments are lost on the general population and readership for whatever reason (my guess being that they don’t want to confront facts and instead would rather blame it on the ‘man.’ F* this b*s*, drugs are illegal because they are a corrosive and destructive force of both our individual citizens and our communities. I can’t stand listening to people talk about how its the war on drugs that is causing the issue when there would be no issue if people would just act responsibly and not use drugs.

What a strange, foreign concept: people acting responsibly. God forbid.

Gavin Way - June 7, 2009, 7:51 pm

Gavin thats where your wrong. I am not a sheltered UMBC student but i would agree with you statements that most umbc students are, and from my experience, students are naive in thinking that they arent. This article IS how I live. If you would like i can pull up articles the location of my house, and then news articles showing 2 double murders within 2 miles of my house in the past month and a half. I can show you articles of the numerous roberies that take place in my own neighborhood. To me UMBC is another world. Its a place where I walk around and i know people are afraid of me, because i am a large black male athlete, with tattoos and earings. where i live, The police ,ake their presence known to scare, There out, with checkpoints to stop at looking for you to do something wrong. when i go to areas in which im confident are the type you live. My girlfriend lives in a million dollar gated condo community, and when trying to visit, it is so much more of a hastle for me, because no matter what i may be doing, or how much respect i show, i always will be watched harder, and that is never going to change, so you will never understand mine and others difficulty with the police, bcuz you will never live like this,

and also, because you live in the city, does not mean you are able to align yourself with these people. You know very little about them, and i think that if you and i were among them, i would have an easier time getting along because we share similar experiences and hardships.

Now all i am saying is its easy for you to read some articles, and maybe tlk to some people, be within in a decent distance of where these things are happening and say you understand, and try to give solutions, but until u live it, u cannot understand.

And one more thing, act responsibly and not use drugs, how come the police arent into the affluent communities busting the thousands of parties where there is an absurd amount of underaged people drinking large volumes of alchohol that is being supplied by their parents. Sounds really responsible. How come the war on the many teenage meth labs isnt going on, because if you didnt kno its the most widely used narcotic used be “affluent” children. whats the difference here. You dont mess with the money, thats y. so what about that huh……no war on underaged drunken rich kids, who then get into their expensive cars and kill people…….but its better to get the high poor ones out, the ones who cant get high and drive because they cant afford cars. yup sounds perfect

Aaron - June 8, 2009, 7:42 am

Gavin because you pity, does not make you understand(reffering to comment below)

Aaron and Paula,
“You say I’ve never had to deal with this? For over a year I have served as an analyst for the Baltimore Police Department’s Criminal Intelligence Unit on behalf of the Mayor’s Office of Criminal Justice. You can talk to any officer and even the most hardened officers will tell you the same thing: its a damn shame the homeless aren’t in jail, because they could at least get the humane treatment they deserve. Cops in Baltimore hate how some of the citizenry is treated and the people responsible for the policies they put them there.”

Tim because you live in baltimore city does not mean you understand(reffering to the comment below)

“aron,

I am offended by your assumption that I live in an affluent area and don’t know what I am talking about. However, I will play your game and assume that YOU don’t live in the city and that YOU have no experience with the subject. Please, do us (the residents of Baltimore City) a favor and stop trying to rationalize crime by claiming that police officers are some how at fault for how criminals act.”

Ryan, yes it does. you guys will always be ignorant on the topic, but not college students as a whole, college students as a majority.(reffering to the comment below)

“College students are as a whole certainly are sheltered, but that does not mean that we cannot recognize the seriousness of our society’s problems (and I would argue that many UMBC students take our relationship with Baltimore, Catonsville, and Arbutus seriously) or that we don’t have the right to discuss and debate them.”

Gavin again, the “man” lol. and your right about what drugs do, but so does alchol, which causes more destruction, so does violent movies, so does the UFC lmao. So does money, so does GTA 1,2,3, vice city, san andreas, liberty city stories, 4, so does two girls 1 cup, etc…

“It just seems that my continued arguments are lost on the general population and readership for whatever reason (my guess being that they don’t want to confront facts and instead would rather blame it on the ‘man.’ F* this b*s*, drugs are illegal because they are a corrosive and destructive force of both our individual citizens and our communities. I can’t stand listening to people talk about how its the war on drugs that is causing the issue when there would be no issue if people would just act responsibly and not use drugs.”

Point once again, it something you will always be ignorant on, because you do not live it, so try 2 hold back the rash ideals.

Aaron - June 8, 2009, 8:02 am

Fact: Alcohol is a drug.

Fact: Alcohol has been successfully and profitably regulated for many years.

Fact: During the prohibition of alcohol, alcohol related crimes spiked uncontrollably. These crimes included extreme violence, much like the violence discussed in these posts.

Fact: After the prohibition of alcohol was lifted, alcohol related crimes dropped significantly. These crimes included extreme violence, much like the violence discussed in these posts.

What makes anyone think that this would not happen concerning the legal and violent ramifications of other drugs? Legalization and regulation is the key to the violent problems associated with drugs. The societal experiment has already been conducted by the government with one of the most dangerous drugs, alcohol. You can’t argue with data like that. I’m not going to cite references here. I’ll leave that to you. but it’s there and clear as day.

Common Sense - June 8, 2009, 8:58 am

Aaron,
I don’t just ‘read some articles and talk to some people’ and then act like I know what I’m talking about. I know what I’m talking about because, as I said earlier, I consult for the Baltimore City Police Department, analysing crime statistics and patterns among many other things.
I agree with you there is an unequal application of laws, with some given more attention to enforcement then others, but you have to understand that a lot of that is outside the control of specific departments. When officers aren’t responding to specific calls for service, they most likely are working on fullfilling manadates for service coming from their CO’s coming from either the local, state, or Federal govt. Until the govt feels a different priority to prosecuting crims, there will aways be a heirarchy of enforcement.

But how dare you say I can’t offer solutions because you think I haven’t ‘lived it.’ What good is anyone if they only complain about issues but never offer solutions? Even offering unrealalistic options like legalization are usefull for moving the debate.

The solutions are there, and they are coming from my coworkers. Programs like GunStat, ComStat, EXILE, and VPU are all working towards one goal: bringing down crime in the city and holding offenders AND the police responsible.

Gavin Way - June 8, 2009, 10:41 am

Gavin,

The various crime statistic initiatives you so vehemently cite probably do little to PREVENT crime. Unfortunately, the statistics can be and are manipulated in such ways to disguise and dispose of crimes. This gives the politicians and police officials room for maneuvering when numbers need to be produced and/or reduced. Tracking gun charges does little to deter criminals as the criminals accept jail as part of the “game.” Jail itself does very little to deter crime. This is evident in the daily news. Jails continue to grow, and crime continues to flourish. The problem is much deeper and gripping than this.

Back to drugs.

People need money, which is why people sell drugs. People sell drugs to make money because the trade is extremely lucrative and extremely quick. The drug trade has an extremely fast turnaround rate because the demand for drugs is high. The violence is no doubt related to the money. If the imagination is used, the various situations related to the violence and money can be visualized. In general, humans will take the easiest route to the basic needs for survival, which include money. In order to stop the flow of money from the ILLEGAL drug trade, drugs must be run through a LEGAL drug trade, which would regulate specific parameters of the trade including distribution. This will force the criminals to find new avenues to generate income. Hopefully, the new avenue will not be so closely coupled with locality.

Common Sense - June 8, 2009, 1:03 pm

Fact: Alcohol is a drug.

Fact: Alcohol has been successfully and profitably regulated for many years.

Fact: During the prohibition of alcohol, alcohol related crimes spiked uncontrollably. These crimes included extreme violence, much like the violence discussed in these posts.

Fact: After the prohibition of alcohol was lifted, alcohol related crimes dropped significantly. These crimes included extreme violence, much like the violence discussed in these posts.

What makes anyone think that this would not happen concerning the legal and violent ramifications of other drugs? Legalization and regulation is the key to the violent problems associated with drugs. The societal experiment has already been conducted by the government with one of the most dangerous drugs, alcohol. You can’t argue with data like that. I’m not going to cite references here. I’ll leave that to you. But it’s there and clear as day.

Common Sense - June 8, 2009, 1:03 pm

Common Sense (I like the Thomas Paine reference, even if unintentional),
GunStat and the other programs I mentioned are directly responsible for a major portion of the reduction in shootings in the city. Since you don’t know the programs, its understandable why you misinterpret their actions. They just don’t track gun charges, they take those with gun charges and then assign them to teams of staffers who work to prosecute the crime with extreme prejudice, ie that the stiffest charges and punishments are applied. This ensures offenders spend as much time off the streets as possible, and as many violent crimes are the result of a small, repeating group of people, the less time they are on the streets the less time they can commit violent crime. In addition, the details of the guns used are passed on to the ATF to assist in tracking the guns, with a major focus being to track down and stop gun traffickers and their suppliers.

To your accusations about statistical manipulation, it is a VERY well known and studied portion of criminal justice. However, it is almost never, ever conscious manipulation but instead differences in reporting standards. There is a large body of literature on this subject, but since it is right next to me at the moment (and an excellent book so far), I’ll reference “Patterns in Crime” by Brantingham/Brantingham. It would be a very big deal if officers manipulated data when reporting, and I have yet to meet any that would dare risk consciously manipulating data in the BPD system.

But back to drugs… Or, since it is illegal, why not provide help to addicts so they can end their addiction and end the market, prosecute dealers with strict and uncompromising sentencing, continue our successful fights against Colombian cocaine traffickers (see history of the FARC for evidence of success), etc. Oh wait, we are already! Well then, lets keep it up, but stop prosecuting users unless there is extenuating circumstances. Make the focus on getting them unhooked. Now if they continue to use after a previous ‘mercy,’ then throw the book at them. Drug use is subversion of state strength as is any criminal offense.
What we need is a culture that isn’t so accepting of drug use, doesn’t glorify it, and instead presents the facts about the damages of any addiction, narcotic, alcoholic, gambling, sexual, etc.

Gavin Way - June 8, 2009, 2:17 pm

A lot of you that are arguing about this are awfully silly. Whether you live in the ghetto or not does not stop you from being affected by these things. UMBC is in Baltimore County, but its not that far from the city. It’s much, much closer to Baltimore City than you are making it out to be; it is simply denial to say that UMBC is a DC school and not a Baltimore one, seeing as though Baltimore City is literally 15 minutes away (I would know, I’m a commuter from the inner city and its a very short distance from my crime-laden apartment complexes to UMBC). So no one on campus is truly “sheltered” or “safe” from the crime of Baltimore City; if you think you are, then you need to wake up.

Don’t delude yourselves into thinking this isn’t something that everyone on campus needs to be worried about. UMBC isn’t the safest area in the city by a long shot. Last year I got crime alerts from the UMBC police department almost every other week. So whether you grew up “affluent”, “sheltered”, or in the slums like myself, you would have to be an idiot to not know that Baltimore is extremely dangerous and this is an extreme problem that is being caused by a multitude of factors from the police to the courts to the citizens to yourselves.

Specifically, on the subject of police and the court systems, I would have to say I agree with the side who says the police aren’t really helping. But this is speaking from experience, not from any scholarly, academic report. I have NEVER had good experiences with cops. I’m a young Black female living in inner city Baltimore and every encounter I’ve had with an officer has made me uncomfortable. They profile people in the inner city, they harass us, they treat everyone like criminals. Why do you think that “Stop Snitchin’” witness intimidation stuff was so effective? Its because we know we do not have the law on our side. In better neighborhoods where you don’t get your house searched because you helped call 911 for a shot drug dealer laying in front of your apartment, maybe you can trust your cops. In better neighborhoods where you don’t get stopped and interrogated just for riding a bike or walking down the street, maybe you can trust your cops. In better neighborhoods where you aren’t discouraged to file a report when you just got robbed at gunpoint, maybe you can trust your cops. But I and a lot of others don’t live in those better neighborhoods; so we can’t trust them.

I don’t entirely blame the cops and courts and such, but there’s clear evidence that there are prejudices and biases in the law enforcements that often prevent them from effectively doing their jobs (just because its 2009 and we have a Black president does not mean that racism and other prejudices are not alive and running rampant in our systems). And that, I believe, is the reason why crime is so high in Baltimore. The ones who want to make a difference are scared of the criminals and they’re scared of the ones who are supposed to be helping them.

As for the drug thing…er…I don’t really care about it too much so I don’t know a lot about it….

Si - June 8, 2009, 2:20 pm

@ Gavin,

“why weren’t my comments posted in reply last night?

Aaron and Pauala,
Sheltered? Of course we are, we’re college students in an affluent state. Almost none of us have any experience with this stuff on a personal level.” << QUOTE

7 posts above my original. I suppose upon re-reading you may have been talking about the literal state, rather than suggesting we as individuals are affluent? If so, my mistake. In any case, I suspect you probably misread my post or dismissed it too quickly to get an accurate gist, but what I was talking about was NOT a raid on the home on an innocent person, rather I was trying to make distinct how disproportionate some of these raids are when in the end they will only amount to petty misdemeanor charges because of the decriminalization of marijuana. Neither possession nor distribution carry felony charges in the U.S anymore yet the police force expends the same amount of effort, money, man-power etc on busts relating to marijuana as on those relating to narcotics.

Does this seem logical to you?
In addition, while I do agree that drugs are a certainly a corrosive force on individual citizens as well as the community at large, don’t you think it’s possible that your resistance to certain changes regarding very specific policies might be the result of personal bias? It seems you are quick to demonize “drugs”, lump them all together and call out users as irresponsible ( “if people would just act responsibly and not use drugs.”) << 4 posts up. Alcohol for instance is a drug, and a particularly morally corrosive agent in our society, yet you would most likely be one of many vocal individuals to express negative feelings if say, the United States Government were to make another attempt at prohibition.

Bear in mind, all of this is coming from the perspective of a non-drinker/non-user, and while personally I choose not to pollute my body with toxic substances, I think that it’s also important to be able to take a step back when approaching these issues and continually question our reasoning, to ensure its strength and validity.

John - June 9, 2009, 1:09 am

Gavin,

“It would be a very big deal if officers manipulated data when reporting, and I have yet to meet any that would dare risk consciously manipulating data in the BPD system.”

It is highly unlikely that any officer/official would willingly tell anyone that the charges/statistics that were being reported were in fact manipulated. Your personal experiences are not credible.

Again, the statistic initiatives do little to PREVENT crime. All preventative measures correlated to these intiatives are based on previous crimes after the fact( ie. crimes must be committed in order for these programs to work). This is counter intuitive. It is not difficult to understand the programs.

If the crimes are the “result of a small, repeating group of people,” why has the crime continued for so many years?

Good luck on stopping all drug use. The “war on drugs” has been very successful throughout its 30+ years. Oh, wait. 30+ years! Any “war” that lasts that long is most certainly futile. The legalization and regulation of drugs is the only way to stop violent crime associated with them. Unfortunately, it will probably never happen in our time.

What is your response for the period of alcohol prohibition? That was the main point for my posts.

Common Sense - June 12, 2009, 8:43 am

Si, besides Umbc not being the safest place, i agree with everything you said, and i appreciate someone who actually experiences this to give their input, because i was getting tired of people who havnt telling me what should be done.

Maybe because you dont stay on campus, you dont really know, but the police send out crime alerts for every little thing. The send them out for “suspicious male seen peering in cars” or something, because some paranoid person called the cops because they saw ME walking through the parking lot lol. I would not at all call UMBC a dangerous campus because its close to baltimore. no ones coming to prey on people in catonsville. lets be real.

Aaron - June 12, 2009, 8:45 am

@ Common Sense and John:
“one of the most dangerous drugs, alcohol”

Really, compared to the damage of ecstasy, crack, heroin, or even tobacco, you choose alcohol? I’m not even going to get into all the medical evidence that discusses the terrible effects of marijuana on the human body because this entire area of discussion is moot (and so many users point to an equally large stack of medical ‘evidence’ to counter). You are right about your facts; however thinking that the ideas can be applied to other, more serious drugs is a little unrealistic. Drug legalization is an idea with merit, something worth an open debate. I would also agree that it would have an impact in lowering the city’s crime rate, though if permanently I reserve judgment on. I am actually a very strict constitutionalist conservative, so I would love to see the government stop regulating so many things that are a personal choice (including the drug laws for some types, including alcohol and marijuana [though I am personally against marijuana use, I don’t like the erosion of rights that its regulation has been accompanied with]).

That said, this is not a practice solution for Baltimore city. It be great if you all would focus on ideas for how the city can fight the crime, not the federal government.

Also to the earlier discussion of homeless and crime: 2009 Homeless Census was recently released for the city and it recorded a 12% increase in the homeless population. During that same time, all crime in the city is down 8% as of June. That sounds counter to your theory…

@Si:
As to race, how do you believe racism is connected to the rate of crime in the city? And that whole ‘Stop Snitchin’ thing is just the point: Baltimore communities have accepted violence as normal and refuse to cooperate. The Sun ran an article the other day about the bull dog that was light on fire and how a mother is furious about the situation, but not because of the poor lil dog, but cause her son was gunned down walking down the street in a motiveless crime and no one cared. If you want to stop crime in Baltimore, look to the community and parents. Until people get angry about crime, what can the police do when no one wants to work with them?

Gavin Way - June 12, 2009, 1:07 pm

All drugs should be legalized and regulated for recreational use. As seen in the past, the violent crimes, which is what these posts are about, associated with these substances would decrease in frequency dramatically.

This topic can never be discussed without someone injecting his or her morality. This may come as a surprise, but several types of people live on this earth with many different moral structures. If someone wants to get all whacked out on crack, why should anyone stop him or her? It is the whacked out crackhead’s life. Now, when the whacked out crackhead does something wrong such as thievery, they should be punished. But the choice to use drugs or abstain from drugs is just that, a personal choice. This can be construed as the pursuit of happiness, which Thomas Jefferson wrote so passionately about. As long as it is no cost to another, a person should be allowed to do whatever he or she wants. Using a drug doesn’t put anyone at danger accept for the user, who has the right to do what he or she wants to do to his or her body. Enough said.

Common Sense - June 12, 2009, 2:59 pm

@ Gavin

“If you want to stop crime in Baltimore, look to the community and parents. Until people get angry about crime, what can the police do when no one wants to work with them?”

Your response to Si exposes your naivete about life in poorer areas of Baltimore City, the attitudes of the people who live there, and your police-culture induced biases. Just because you crunch numbers on a room does not mean you know anything about what it’s like to interact with the police as a homeless person or a person living in a poor, black neighborhood in the city.

If someone gets mugged and they get beat up, you can bet they’re going to be angry about it. If their house gets broken into, they’re going to be pissed. But when the police are the ones slamming your head against the side of their car, when they’re the ones who break your nose against a brick wall, when they’re the ones storming through a hole in the wall where your front door used to be, when they harass you just for being in a poor neighborhood when you’re not doing anything illegal, there’s no logical reason why you should trust them. And you’re sure as hell not going to call them to tell them your wallet got stolen if you think they’re going to slam your head into a brick wall when they don’t like the way you answer their questions.

I’m angry about crime. But I’m even angrier about the crimes I’ve watched and experienced the police commit. The “War on Drugs” just gives them more excuses. I don’t buy any of it.

Paula - June 16, 2009, 1:51 pm

@Aaron: It might be because I don’t stay on campus, but I’ve never felt really safe there anyway. But then again, I tend to not feel safe anywhere. I DO live in the ghetto after all, lol. I’m just trained to stay alert and paranoid, I suppose. I’ve just never felt UMBC to truly be safe and the crazy amount of crime alerts didn’t help me feel much safer.

@Gavin: You don’t understand the connection between racism and crime rates? If you don’t understand the connections then I strongly suggest you take an Africana studies class. I’m not sure of anything about you, but a lot of “educated” people tend to believe that racism isn’t still a big problem, but it is and I have experienced it first hand. Racism is still very much alive in this world and a good portion of it is in the form of racial profiling. This bias against minorities (particularly Blacks and Hispanics) causes police to take crime victims less seriously because they assume these victims to be criminals and don’t really want to help. And of course, a lot of biased cops will spend their time harassing innocent people – which takes attention away from important problems such as gang violence, drug dealing, etc.)

And I think a mother has every right to be upset that her son’s story is not noticed compared to that of a dog (regardless of how I may think of that personally…as I prefer animals over people myself). But regardless, I admitted that the citizens are very much to blame as well, however, I absolutely refuse to absolve the police from their share in the responsibility. If you walk in the streets of the inner city and talk to the citizens who aren’t the criminals, you’ll see very well that we ARE angry (and I take offense to you assuming otherwise). But the problem is is that we’re SCARED and no one is protecting us. Really, what can we do when gangs will kill you for telling and police won’t protect you from them? Even people outside the inner city, poor neighborhoods aren’t protected from gangs and witness intimidation. There was a story during the school year about the men who killed a man named Lackl for witnessing a drug-related shooting: http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/bal-md.byers18apr18,0,7571263.story I believe he was from Baltimore County (where ever Rosedale is…)

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