this changes everything!

not.

what a waste. i wish elani would have stayed in the race. she woulda won.

Gabe Rettaliata was sworn in as SGA President tonight.

Steve made a difficult decision tonight. I am very proud of him for coming up with the conclusion that he did.

Glad he did it himself and didn’t embarrass the student body by dragging this process out. While I can’t respect him for his academics nor for his morals (anyone who wants to misconstrue a constitution to remain in power has severe moral failures, regardless of whatever else they may do or say), I can at least give him credit for stepping down, regardless of his reasons for doing so.

Whatever qualms I may have, I believe he was a committed leader. For that, thank you Steve.

@ Paula.

He just did what he was supposed to do, nothing more…

Shame on you, tearing someone down like that.

Reminds me of President Clinton career destroyed because of personal crap.

Clinton is a horrible man who had a history of infidelity dating back to his days as Arkansas Governor. Shame on YOU for reducing an extramarital affair to something so insignificant. Just think: If he had the nerve to lie to his wife, what’s to stop him from lying to the nation?

And yet, Clinton was still a better president than George W. Bush. The last time I checked, Bush is the one who lied to the nation and started a war that has cost thousands of lives and trillions of American dollars, not Clinton.

@ Dan: We’re not comparing Clinton to Bush.
Neither were great, but if one lies to a nation, is it okay for another person to?
Does Bush’s incompetence redeem Clinton? Not in my eyes.

Anyway, back to the topic!

@ why,

President Clinton’s career was not destroyed by other people, HE destroyed it. When someone gets arrested for domestic abuse or stealing or something else, is it the police officer’s fault that their ‘personal’ life is ruined? No. If you don’t lie or cheat or steal, then your career won’t be destroyed by such. When someone does something wrong, the blame does not fall on those who expose/bring justice, it falls on the wrongdoer. What backward thinking.

He’s doing what he’s supposed to do, no one’s tearing him down. Personal ‘crap’ is public crap when you are a public figure and when your decisions affect those around you. If your personal decisions are ‘crap’ then the logical next step, given that your decisions are coming from the same brain, is that some of your other decisions will be crap. Clinton wasn’t a great president either.

@ why, lewis, dan, and Nikki

GET A GRIP OF YOURSELVES, PLEASE!!!!
You people need to stop judging people because the last time I checked…None of you are poster people for perfection. Everyone makes mistakes, and is liable to slip up every once in awhile because no individual in this world is perfect. If so, the economy wouldn’t be as bad as it is now, there would be no poverty, no crime, no lay offs, and etc…Unfortunately, this world isn’t perfect and neither are any of you!!

My last thought:
“STOP COMPLAINING AND CRYING ABOUT THINGS YOU CAN’T CONTROL, AND GO KICK ROCKS!!!!”
“Vous êtes des vrai con!!!”
-Go translate that so called perfect people!!!

@ ANYWHO

Of course no one is perfect. Saying that everyone makes mistakes and no one is perfect is just a cliche statement made by stupid people to excuse their stupid behavior and try to make smart people shut up. Just because no one is perfect, does that mean we shouldn’t strive to be better? Or that justice should not be brought to those who do wrong? Do we allow serial killers to go free simply because “Well, no one is perfect”?? Do we not try to make the world better simply because it isn’t perfect and neither are the people in it??

As far as the topic in this thread, Steve is obviously not a serial killer or offender of that degree, and I’m definitely not claiming that he is. He’s stepping down and it’ll be over and done and it’s not a big deal. I wasn’t “COMPLAINING AND CRYING” about anything, simply responding to a nasty illogical post.

Judging is not wrong, only hypocrisy. Trying to get everyone to shut up and instead kick rocks with you is just as pompous as what you think you are writing against.

Oh my god stop talking about president clinton.

STEVE GILMORE DISCUSSION HERE

Do you guys even know your history? President Clinton was a great President who did a lot of incredible things, he was arguable the best President we ever had. Who cares if he lied about cheating? Who doesn’t?

Okay, let’s for a moment assume that cheating on Hillary is nothing to worry about. And let’s also assume that initially lying to the nation was fine. AND let’s further assume that committing perjury by lying to a grand jury about it was no big deal either…

His pardons alone are disgusting. At least Bush didn’t go crazy in this department. Marc Rich, a fugitive tax evader…Puerto Rican FALN terrorists…his drug addict brother, etc etc.

He failed miserably to introduce healthcare reform which essentially gave the Republicans total control of Congress (which isn’t necessarily horrible but I know it is for you, aman1).

He committed troops to Somalia but withdrew in failure. And I know you are aware of Sudan offering bin Laden to us but he failed to act. Heck, he is still lying to the nation to this day about how he handled that situation (e.g. saying he authorized the CIA to kill bin Laden when he didn’t).

The economy was in good shape during the 1990s. Clinton rightly raised the top marginal rates to recover from the Reagan disaster, but he also got to ride an amazing tech-boom.

If you think NAFTA is good for the country, don’t credit Clinton. Bush got most of it done and Clinton’s changes to the plan were barely approved in Congress.

This is extremely off topic but you can’t just blindly defend Clinton’s personal life and his Presidency. His weakness and untrustworthiness in his personal life can be seen in some of his actions as President. Even if you don’t agree with linking the two, the fact remains that Clinton’s administration was not as perfect as some people make it out to be.

One more thought. I don’t care who or who doesn’t lie about cheating; neither is “better.” The best way to go is to simply not cheat. It’s not that hard, trust me!

A mistake in someone’s personal life isn’t a reason to ruin a career. Clinton messed up with his wife, sure. But does that make him a bad president? Because a soccer player argues with his parents every night… does that make him worse of a soccer player? Because a student leader does badly in his classes… does that mean he’s not a good leader anymore? In this case it may be that he was focused too much on the students and not on his studies. Kinda seems like the ideal person to have if you ask me…

WOW…if you think bill clinton is arguably THE best president we ever had…then you’re an idiot……as i recall….abraham lincoln, FDR, JFK, and even reagan did alot more useful things for america…..not taking away any accomplishments from bill clinton….but….only and idiot would say he’s the BEST president we’ve had…..

Okay, let’s for a moment assume that cheating on Hillary is nothing to
worry about. And let’s also assume that initially lying to the nation was fine. AND let’s further assume that committing perjury by lying to a grand jury about it was no big deal either…

His pardons alone are disgusting. At least Bush didn’t go crazy in this department. Marc Rich, a fugitive tax evader…Puerto Rican FALN
terrorists…his drug addict brother, etc etc.

He failed miserably to introduce healthcare reform which essentially gave the Republicans total control of Congress (which isn’t necessarily horrible but I know it is for you, aman1).

He committed troops to Somalia but withdrew in failure. And I know you are aware of Sudan offering bin Laden to us but he failed to act. Heck, he is still lying to the nation to this day about how he handled that situation (e.g. saying he authorized the CIA to kill bin Laden when he didn’t).

The economy was in good shape during the 1990s. Clinton rightly raised the top marginal rates to recover from the Reagan disaster, but he also got to ride an amazing tech-boom.

If you think NAFTA is good for the country, don’t credit Clinton. Bush got most of it done and Clinton’s changes to the plan were barely approved in Congress.

This is extremely off topic but you can’t just blindly defend Clinton’s personal life and his Presidency. His weakness and untrustworthiness in his personal life can be seen in some of his actions as President. Even if you don’t agree with linking the two, the fact remains that Clinton’s administration was not as perfect as some people make it out to be.

One more thought. I don’t care who or who doesn’t lie about cheating;
neither is “better.” The best way to go is to simply not cheat. It’s not that hard, trust me!

my two cents..

for every action there is a reaction
rules are rules and rules in this matter explicitly state the consequences.
there’s nothing up for discussion folks.
if you feel that his dismissal was unjust, take it up to the board and stop bitchin’ about it on a forum.

“best president we ever had” HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA read some American history…

@ Jack,

In this case, Jack, it sounds to me like he was spreading his focus too much and therefore not focused enough on any single activity. Sounds to me like he stretched himself too thin. Does NOT sound like the ideal person if you ask me…

If you think the ideal student leader should not have to give any attention to classes (or should be praised for doing badly in his/her classes), then he/she cannot be a STUDENT leader (and besides, anyone can fail a class; the point is to get good grades and graduate). In that case you can just get someone who isn’t taking classes and who doesn’t understand/care as much about student concerns to be the leader. I think we have enough of those.

So basically your logic is that the mark of an ideal leader is one who fails in every other area of their life. Or somehow that bad decisions made in other areas of one’s life do not affect other people around them nor decisions made in their job. I completely disagree. An ideal LEADER is one who shows balance and is a role model in all situations. It’s easy to screw up, anyone can do that. So you’re telling me that if I was a serial killer or rapist during my personal time, that wouldn’t make you think differently of me? Even if I never got caught, would you trust my judgment in other areas? Would you trust me to make decisions regarding your health care or your money? Would you trust me with your own life? Or would you think that perhaps my personal life was a reflection of a general disregard for human life and bad judgment, and that I would be better off NOT making decisions for people, or at the very least not being esteemed as a LEADER or role model for people? Again, an extreme example but certainly better than your “arguing with his parents every night,” which isn’t even necessarily bad.

And in any case, even if I could still be a great leader despite my fetish for human blood/other wrongdoing, isn’t there something to be said for justice? Should immorality and bad judgment be so carelessly disregarded? Wouldn’t you think that the person who is doing wrong, and knows they are doing wrong, is well aware of the possibility that, if caught, they will lose their job? Doesn’t that mean that they THEMSELVES, before anyone else in the public, have already made personal crap a priority over their public job anyway?

Almost all of our presidents throughout history have had problems, but that didn’t stop them from leading America! For example, George Washington had like 30 mistresses! Abraham Lincoln OWNED slaves, and wasn’t Ben Franklin a cannibal? So give poor Steve a break for his dismal GPA.

STEVE GILMORE THREAD STARTS HERE.

HE WAS A COOL GUY