Shutup you got what you wanted.

So.

“The Treatment of Bush Has Been a Disgrace” The Wall Street Journal

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122584386627599251.html

Even if he does have some months left in office, honestly, Obama could easily reverse whatever he did once the new Congress convenes. Short of a war with Iran or Syria, anyway….

i cant believe we didn’t impeach him for the misery he caused upon all of us

Impeachment would not have done much, although it would be satisfying.

George W. Bush makes me ashamed to be called an American.

Obama won…the country has spoken.

His first day is going to be spent piecing the Constitution and Bill of Rights back together.

His first day will not be spent piecing the Constitution or the Bill of Rights back together. He will spend it coming up with more crazy ideas like the redistribution of wealth that speak for neither capitalism nor America, as it should be at least.

Clinton ran during a technology boom which he had nothing to do with, which made our economy even bigger and shaped business for years to come. In his last years things were going to shit and he knew it. He has noted that he was told the economy was going down becasue the rate of technological progress was not remaining constantly high. Because of that GDP was falling, and we were headed for a recession. Guess what, we hit it soon after he left office.

In the fall of 2000 Clinton had a chance to take out BinLaden but decided not to. He was given a video of Bin Laden walking around his compound. The video was even taken by the CIA. In 1998 Clinton said he would bring “those responsible (for the bombings of 2 U.S. embassies) to justice” in 2000 he had the chance, but didn’t. Look what happened.

Bush inherited that, and started to lead on a domestic agenda. Suddenly one day his agenda is forced from domestic to international. All of his planning, all of his legislation to be rolled out, etc was forced to be thrown out and be replaced by an ad hoc foreign policy agenda. He had no time to plan for foreign policy on nearly the scale of what he was forced into.

I don’t think any president could have seen this coming, or handled the situation on a “good” way. What happened was unprecedented in terms of size, and complexity. With that said, could it have been handled better? Well duh…. but looking back is easy, looking forward is the difficult part.

People think Clinton was a peachy president, and he does have that memory with most Americans. He got lucky though, having his term end when it did. If he had it 2 years later his image wouldn’t be the same. People would still remember both times he was impeached, his bag of money etc….

im just getting the hell out of maryland as soon as i graduate because of this additional tax that obama put on people making more than a certain amount (dont remember but it aint what he said it would be during the dabates) but it doesnt affect me yet since im still in college. i saw it on the news today. some judge was going to move to md but after the tax was passed he decided not to. md is already the state of the highest taxes, why do more need to be added? i know that its patriotic and what not but its been past the point of ridiculous ever since they raised the sales tax last year. im not hating on obama, im just fed up with maryland being abused and not liking this little socialism thing thats going to start w obama in office like the previous person said. dont get me wrong, i wasnt much of a mccain supporter either bc of his similarities w bush and his running mate whom i could not take seriously but i do not like that idea. this aint europe, a lot of people already take advantage of welfare, now they get to take advantage of the money that we all work hard to earn. i do like how he is going to pull out of iraq though, it is pointless to be there now since we were wrong about weapons of mass destruction. wouldnt it be cool if arnie was pres?

I think that people don’t even look at bush as a president anymore, just as “that guy that got us in the war”. I don’t know, I am ashamed for my country that a lot of us seem like we “can’t wait to get rid of him”. Sure, he’s made some mistakes, but that doesn’t mean he shouldn’t get our respect for trying.

A person who holds one of the biggest offices in the world shouldn’t be allowed to make any mistakes. I have no respect for George W. Bush period.

And I assume no one in office before has ever made any mistakes, they’re all perfect but bush. I understand now.

Bush was courageous and brave. He did what no one else wanted because it was right. He was strong enough not to do bend to the every whim of America, which is populated by a bunch of hippies who want everything to be perfect all the time. I am sorry, sometimes the economy is going to go down. Guess what, it will go back up. Change is natural. Whether it be for good or bad. As far as the war goes, I am ashamed to be in a country where chivalry no longer exists. We had the moral duty, being a strong and powerful nation to stop the dictators in the middle east from killing their own people. The problem with the people in our country is that we do not care about anyone else but ourselves. We preach peace and put on the face of caring, but when it comes right down to it most of us are not willing to do what it takes to truly help people.

Stop bashing Bush just because you feel no moral duty to be in the war. Anyone who doesn’t admit that we needed to be in that war to help the innocent people being murdered either has no morality or is a coward. Quit following the crowds and stand up for what is right, Capitolism, Morality, and Freedom for All.

I am a proud republican:

People who support Bush are not true conservatives, the Republican party is a great party, but they have become social conservatives and have passed legislation that have stripped individual freedoms and liberties from us all (The Patriot Act). Instead of arguing for invading a sovereign country (Iraq), try realizing that there is no American occupation in Darfur. If anyone is still sold on this war in Iraq, they need to research all of the other countries; America does not invade and occupy that “kill their own people.” If the Republican Party is going to ever win another election, they must revert back to true republican ideals. Eisenhower, Nixon, and Reagan were true Republicans, as for George W. Bush; he is acted as a renegade destroying America’s reputation around the world.

Antegonos you are retarded!!!!

P.S You’re a retard…

I think the editorial was rather scary. I have seen more propaganda and utilization of the media to anoint Obama than I remember in past presidencies. That is not to say that I do not support Obama or agree with some of his ideas, however I think a large number of Americans have chosen not to think for themselves. We have been told “Bush bad, Obama good” and rather than filtering information and realizing that there is no clean line on these men and they both have good and bad aspects of their personalities and political careers. Bush has not been the worst president we have ever had regardless of how much he has been vilified. He has failed on several counts, as I am sure Obama will as well. I think that in such a college environment, it is telling that there can be such a discussion which quickly descends into name calling and vauge generalizations of events which to really understand require an enormous amount of hindsight and appreciation for the complexities of the issues.

The war in Iraq was not properly researched or planned. I understand Bush should not be blamed for everything, but come on guys dig your head out of the sand. The Iraq War was a bad idea, were in trillions of dollars worth of debt, and people are trying to blame Clinton. Bush expanded government more than any liberal democrat, it is not unpatriotic to critisize your President, it is patriotic to have “a lovers quarrel with your country.” Instead people point fingers and want to defend Bush/Cheney, He will go down in history as the worst President in our lifetimes.

“He will go down in history as the worst President in our lifetimes.”

I don’t think you understand how history works.

You see, history is fairly unbiased in it’s opinion and will view things from a much different standpoint than we do today.

I imagine history will recognize that the amount of disasters that are associated with Bush’s presidency are overabundant and unfortunate. 9/11, and Hurricane Katrina, and an unavoidable economic recession.

Honestly Bush’s only real mistake is the handling of relations, and the war, with Iraq. Considering the myriad of other major decision Bush had to make during his presidency I think history will view him in a better light than he is seen now. Of course that is largely dependent on the outcome of Iraq. If, in a decade or two, Iraq becomes a thriving country and a major proponent of democracy in the Middle East I definitely can’t see history considering him a horrible president no matter how unpopular he is now.

Beyond that you have to understand when considering whether a person is a good or bad president, that he isn’t making any decisions or changes without a variety of input from a lot of other people and any change he attempts has gone through the system of checks and balances. George W. Bush is merely the scapegoat for the entire Administration during his presidency… then again that’s part of his job.

This isn’t to say that I’m happy with our government’s performance during his presidency (I’m not).
Just that I understand our government isn’t comprised of one person and so the blame for disreputable decisions should be doled out with this is mind.

The fact is that congress is to blame for our current financial crisis. I seem to remember a certain Barney Frank of the House and Chris ‘Countrywide’ Dodd in the Senate who head the housing committees responsible for Fanny Mae and Freddy Mac.

President Bush signed every bill during his first term from the republican congress. Ill admit that was stupid, but it is hard for someone to know that their own party is getting greedy.

All of that being said Obama is an imbecile. Obama ran a campaign full of promises that he cannot logistically keep. If Obama raises taxes ala Herbert Hoover he will create “Great” Depression number 2.

Obama’s policies are as he says in such a sarcastic tone “socialistic.” Socialism is dependent on people being “perfect” which liberals seem not to understand is impossible. Benjamin Franklin so wisely said, “When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic [America]?”

Oh well now…I’m retarded for thinking my country shouldn’t have rushed into a horribly planned war?

That’s almost as interesting as me actually answering an irrelevant post on a forum.

Its not cowardly or immoral to question your leaders, its actually the opposite. To stand up and say what you believe in (Its American). I can tell you now that not everyone will agree (but most did).

And I hate it when people say If your against the war you hate America, its well….”retarded” and doesn’t show anything but ignorance about what is actually going on.

also…”Just because you win an argument over the internet…your still retarded” (I don’t it just comes to mind).

arguing on the internet is pointless and stupid. but, i have to put in my 2 cents.

was the war wrong? yes!
should church and government be separate? yes!
should bush be ostricized by the public? no!

at least treat the guy with the dignity. republicans have been asked by mccain to treat obama with dignity and liberals are not following suit with bush.

do unto others as they have done unto you.

“do unto others as they have done unto you.” I think this applies…but not how you meant it.

Its not just liberals that are ostracizing (its most of the world really), but I unfortunately agree. He should be given “some” respect for being president, but it doesn’t mean he should just get to walk away.

You would respect me if I walked over during lunch and mixed all of your food and drink in one indeterminate mass and said “Respect Me”. Before ruffling your hair (with food still on my hands) and prancing off to enjoy my own meal, now would you?

I thought not.

Instead you would probably be annoyed or possibly upset (let alone confused)….but I think you get my point.

Was the War Wrong?

Well Saddam killed hundreds of thousands of people that we found in mass graves. I guess according to you these graves should continue to grow.

Should Church and State be seperate?
It is clearly defined within the constitution that it should be. That being said read George Washinton’s Inaugural address.
http://www.archives.gov/legislative/features/gw-inauguration/

If you read this entire address Washington Clearly states that the United States is clearly lead by the invisible hand of God!

Although Communists believe in the destruction of Religion, so maybe you are talking about Mr. Obama (who is not president-elect until December 15).

Presidnet Bush has been nothing but courteous to Mr. Obama. President Bush’s greatest fault may be that he did not call out Democrats when they were in the wrong (almost every day). If President Bush was not stained with his greatest vice, which is his unwillingness to attack the left, this election would probably have gone differently.

McCain the liberal would not have been the Republican nominee and Obama the Marxist would not have been the democrats nominee.

‘Liberal Hordes beware the day of reckoning will come!’

‘Stop trying to ruin my country!’

‘Thank Me!’

In the spirit of reaching across the aisle, we owe it to the Democrats to show their president the exact same kind of respect and loyalty that they have shown our recent Republican president.
Starting tomorrow, if not sooner.