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The Scottish Parliament Building stands at the end of the Royal Mile, the main thoroughfare in Edinburgh.Dinah Douglas -TRW
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Does Scotland deserve its independence from England?

Before coming to Scotland, I hadn't considered too much what the political climate in the UK is like. I figured I understood how the Westminster parliamentary system worked well enough to get by in conversation… Little did I know, political banter in Scotland is hoppin'!

In the U.S., we use the term "British" to refer to the dreamy accents of actors like Colin Firth and Hugh Grant, which are in fact English accents. British is really the term properly used to refer to citizens of the entire union of Great Britain. Studying Scottish identity in class has taught me that one must be sensitive about using these terms.

One of my professors, Dr. David McCrone, has lectured on his research (presented in the book "Understanding Scotland: The Sociology of a Nation") that helps unpack Scottish identity through asking people how they describe themselves in terms of national associations. Learning that a sizeable population of his interviewees defined themselves as specifically Scottish - rejecting the "British" label entirely - put into perspective a lot of issues Scotland as a nation faces.

Scotland and England have a long history of conflict (which you can start to appreciate by watching "Braveheart"). But, in 1707, the two countries entered into the Treaty of Union, which didn't exactly quell any tensions. Scotland was then - and is still now - in control of its civil society and institutions, but handed over its self-governing power of parliament to participate in the unionized version at Westminster.

In 1933, the Scottish National Party (SNP) grew out of the National Party of Scotland, a separatist political organization. Finally, the frustration of Scotland's subservience to the throne started to boil over, and, in 1945, a SNP representative was elected to Parliament. Subsequently, the SNP built its case and support for Scottish independence from English rule and won 30% of the vote in 1974. With the discovery of oil on the North Sea, frustration with England controlling Scottish resources came to a head, and thus the slogan "It's Scotland's oil" was born. This slogan is representative of the of myriad issues the Scottish people had with English rule.

When Margaret Thatcher (or, as she is not so affectionately known, "that bloody woman") came to the office of prime minister in 1979, she slashed much of the welfare policies that had improved socio-economic conditions in Scotland. Viewed as anti-Scottish, Thatcher helped raise questions of a need for Scottish devolution - or even independence.

A referendum on the ballot in Scotland in 1997 asking the people to approve a devolved government in the shape of a Scottish parliament passed. Out of this referendum the Scotland Act of 1998 was borne, which established a Scottish parliament. For the first time since the Acts of Union, Scotland had its own government.

Now, the SNP is still a powerful force, with many people heartened by the fact that Scotland has many powers of government. At the same time, many Scots are frustrated by the fact that Scotland's parliament is overshadowed by the "grown-up" Parliament that sits at Westminster. An independent Scotland is still a hope for many people in this country, while many others believe that Scotland doesn't have a leg to stand on when it comes to finances. Thus, a political storm is born. Two countries that have been at odds for hundreds of years still are not in the most harmonious of relationships… Which begs the question: Does Scotland deserve its independence from England?

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    I think this is an excellent article and I would echo David in recommending Diomhair, the first part is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saqQnj0LKlQ&feature=related Also, if anyone is interested in today's Glasgow North East by-election (in which the SNP are fighting very hard) then a video about it is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=witK3Sslf58

    Joe Middleton on Wednesday, November 11th at 7:03pm

    Dina, With a name like Douglas, of course we forgive your slight indiscretion in your title! But please view the video, it will give you a new perspective,on the British state. Its in Gaelic, but with English sub titles, so be patient! Good luck in your studies.

    David Mccann on Wednesday, November 11th at 5:37pm

    Thank you all for your comments on this article! Through reading them, I realize I need to make a clarification... The last sentence which reads "Does Scotland deserve its independence from England?" has received much attention, and for good reason. I realized only now how that sentence reads a bit harshly, and certainly not how I meant it. Of course, Scotland has its own power to declare its independence, and there has been talk of this issue coming to a referendum in the future. Surely I do not know enough on the issue to predict how the people will vote, when it will come to a vote, or even, in fact, IF it will come to a vote. I also recognize that my usage of the word "deserve" is not at its clearest; any nation whose people believe they will be better of independent "deserve" said freedom. I certainly am in no position to pass judgment on this issue at all, and I only hoped to frame quite broadly the nature of the conflict -- if weighted on Scotland's side, as that is what I am learning at the moment. I look forward to exploring the politics of the Union in the coming weeks; there's so many more sides for me to explore. Thanks all for the informed arguments and criticism.

    Dinah Douglas on Wednesday, November 11th at 1:41pm

    Joe, of course is correct and the fact is that the British state are still at it 300 years later, and happily, under the Freedom of Information Act, we can at last prove it: that for the past 50 years, Labour and Conservative governments shared a common agenda - stopping Home Rulers and Scottish Nationalists from breaking up Britain and making Scotland independent. Both parties have resorted to spying and underhand tactics to discredit the SNP, its members and supporters. In this, they were, and are, aided and abetted by a compliant Scottish media, who along with time-serving Westminster politicians, found that it was (is) in their interest to support the Union. The excellent BBC Alba documentary “Diomhair” (Secret), produced by respected journalist George Rosie and directed by Les Wilson, of Caledonia TV, deals only in facts from Government files. It is a brilliant and forensic examination of what the British state gets up to behind our backs. In it, they reveal how official documents proving the viability of independence were kept hidden and how politicians and civil servants tried to obstruct independence and keep Britain united. The programme reveals how, in the past, civil servants, MI5 and Special Branch were used by Westminster to obstruct and even sabotage the Scottish Nationalist movement and how successive governments used and abused their power to keep Scotland in the union and sabotage the causes of devolution and independence. ‘Dionhair’ also unearthed government files that showed how the police were diverted from catching criminals to spy on legal and peaceful demonstrations; how the will of two million Scots was defied by simply ignoring their demand for devolution; how Edinburgh Police encouraged young Nationalists to commit bomb outrages and supplied them with dummy explosives, and how evidence that an independent Scotland could be among the richest countries in Europe was stamped "Secret" and buried in the archives. No conspiracy there then. Such revelations, you would think, would have been the subject of huge interest to our Scottish media, especially at a time in our history when the British Government are pushing through proposals for a surveillance society that Stalin would have been proud of? Yet, not a cheep from the Fourth Estate in Scotland. Why dont they ask present day British ministers to explain why a legitimate political party, who now form the Scottish Government, was subjected to this kind of treatment? Well done, BBC Alba for having the guts to commission a programme that the English speaking BBC still won't touch with a barge pole. And well done to Caledonia TV for producing one of the most interesting documentaries shown in Scotland for years. But shame on the rest of the Scottish media who are either too complacent or just too gutless to root out the rest of the story. But firstly, you must view this documentary. It really is an eye opener. You have nothing to lose but your prejudices! Note: Diomhair has been uploaded to Youtube, and can be viewed by clicking the following link. http://www.scottishindependenceconvention.org/ResouceMain.asp It’s at the top of the page ”Scotland’s Oil”

    David Mccann on Wednesday, November 11th at 4:05am

    Saying that Scotland is "under English rule" is like saying Texas is under U.S rule. The two nations are in a union. Many English people would also not describe themselves as "British".

    Dan on Tuesday, November 10th at 10:19pm

    It's rather sad that STE feels the need to tell blatant lies about the history of the British union. Perhaps this indicates something about the quality of his argument! An English spy of the time Daniel De Foe (the famous author) estimated that the Scots were 100/1 against union. The MP's who agreed to it had to run out the back door. There were riots in every major city and there were twenty public petitions against union and not one in favour. Just in case the Scots MP's didn't allow themselves to be bribed or intimidated a huge English army was posted on the border to force through the union if required. The reality is that political power had left Scotland with the King moving to London in 1603, since then acts of parliament could be rejected by the monarch and they were if they conflicted with English plans. (The rightful Scots descended heir to the throne had been thrown out of England some years before, not long after his ancestor had been executed for arguing against the will of the English parliament!). The English had also applied the equivalent of economic sanctions in the run up to union, banning Scots from owning business or property in England. Was the union in Scotland's economic favour? Well for the first FIFTY YEARS of union trade in Scotland declined! The union was never in Scotland's interests, yes Scotland's 'noble families' shared in some booty from the Empire but the ordinary Scot was just as poor at the end of Empire as they were at the start. The ongoing problem with the union is that England is ten times larger than Scotland and therefore has ten times the representation. That democratic imbalance will always exist. Luckily in the modern age we Scots can simply vote ourselves out of the British union (in the past you might have been hanged or deported for arguing against it) and the signs are that we will do so, as soon as the British orientated parties in Scotland can be convinced to put it to a democratic vote. There were no celebrations of the 300th anniversary of the British union in 2007, I wonder why if we Scots are supposed to be so enthusiastic about it?! Thanks again for this article and thanks for coming to Scotland.

    Joe Middleton on Tuesday, November 10th at 6:00pm

    If "the Bill" is all England gets out of the Union, why is your Government so keen to keep Scotland in the Union?

    Ed D on Tuesday, November 10th at 8:51am

    The only thing England gets out of the now null and void 'Union' is the BILL!.

    Ste on Tuesday, November 10th at 8:07am

    England certainly deserves her independence from Scotland ASAP. The English never asked to be united with Scotland. They were bounced into it by a tiny British class who werre mainly Scots and who manipulated both the Scottish and English parliaments to pass the same Act of Union. Virtually no debate was allowed in the English parliament on this massive event. Prior to that the English had displayed longstanding uninterest in union with Scotland and indeed had walked away from the union talks of 1702-3 because they couldn't see any point in it particularly as the Union of Crowns already largely implied a common foreign policy. The Scots were keen though, though they now try to deny it, mainly becaue they wanted to break out of financial and economic isolation. Political marginalisation too. For England there was nowt in it. Only an unnecessary expense and aggravation. Nothing changes.

    Jerrold on Tuesday, November 10th at 7:37am

    This article fails to mention that the SNP are in government in Scotland - this translates as the majority of voters in Scotland want independence. However, the main opposing political parties ie: Labour, Conservative and Liberal Democrats are not in favour of the Scottish people having a referendum on the question of Independence - this begs the question: Why? Surely, the voting public in Scotland should have the right to decide for themselves? That should be the question and not" Does Scotland deserve its independence from England? - that question is both PROVOCATIVE and INSULTING!

    Ed D on Tuesday, November 10th at 6:16am

    Are you serious?! Does Scotland DESERVE its independence?! Like its something that England can grant if Scotland is a good little boy?! The people of Scotland will grant its independence when its put to a democratic vote. The right of self-determination is not something another country can grant.

    Scott on Tuesday, November 10th at 5:57am

    It does indeed, and thanks very much for this intelligent and well researched article on the subject.

    Joe Middleton on Tuesday, November 10th at 5:46am

    England certainly deserves it's independence from Scotland. This is one Englishman who can't wait for the day. Don't look to Braveheart for an accurate portrayal of English/Scottish conflict though as it almost 100% inaccurate.

    Wyrdtimes on Tuesday, November 10th at 4:44am

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